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		<title>By: Put Up and Shut Up &#124; Committed to Memory</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Put Up and Shut Up &#124; Committed to Memory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] we stink at it. Stop the self-congratulatory Kool-Aid slurping about how good and different we are, because it isn’t making much of a difference in the real world.  Show that our “people helping people” mantra means more than the paper it’s printed [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we stink at it. Stop the self-congratulatory Kool-Aid slurping about how good and different we are, because it isn’t making much of a difference in the real world.  Show that our “people helping people” mantra means more than the paper it’s printed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Credit Union Difference, What&#8217;s That? &#171; CU Ninja&#039;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Credit Union Difference, What&#8217;s That? &#171; CU Ninja&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 04:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Shevlin wrote a post recently that I believe confirms my thinking. Go check it out here.     Categories: Uncategorized Tags: CU Principles, Marketing, Strategy       Comments (0) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Shevlin wrote a post recently that I believe confirms my thinking. Go check it out here.     Categories: Uncategorized Tags: CU Principles, Marketing, Strategy       Comments (0) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post.  Next you should conduct the &quot;twitter test&quot;.   Ask as many bank or credit union union employees why people should bank with them - and they have to answer in 140 characters or less.  I would bet that employees of well run CU&#039;s and banks will answer very similarly and clearly, while employees at poorly ran FI&#039;s will be all over the board and have trouble articulating anything of substance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  Next you should conduct the &#8220;twitter test&#8221;.   Ask as many bank or credit union union employees why people should bank with them &#8211; and they have to answer in 140 characters or less.  I would bet that employees of well run CU&#8217;s and banks will answer very similarly and clearly, while employees at poorly ran FI&#8217;s will be all over the board and have trouble articulating anything of substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Shevlin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Shevlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Denise: Thank you for asking.

Well, first off, I operate by the Seven Cooperative Principles for Market Researchers that my competitors don&#039;t abide by.

And unlike my big bad competitors -- who provide terrible customer service and treat their clients poorly -- I have the advantage of the Shevlin &quot;difference&quot;.

Specifically, I voluntarily get involved in the CU/banking community, I&#039;m committed to educating the CU/banking community, and I provide research services to the under-researched.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denise: Thank you for asking.</p>
<p>Well, first off, I operate by the Seven Cooperative Principles for Market Researchers that my competitors don&#8217;t abide by.</p>
<p>And unlike my big bad competitors &#8212; who provide terrible customer service and treat their clients poorly &#8212; I have the advantage of the Shevlin &#8220;difference&#8221;.</p>
<p>Specifically, I voluntarily get involved in the CU/banking community, I&#8217;m committed to educating the CU/banking community, and I provide research services to the under-researched.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Wymore</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denise Wymore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I&#039;m curious Ron - what makes your research better than your competitors?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m curious Ron &#8211; what makes your research better than your competitors?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bartoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many of the CU marketing folks also are responsible, either directly or indirectly, for the business development function - specifically, those activities associated with SEG development or community activities (if you&#039;re a community charter).  When a prospective member walks up to your booth at the local community business association trade show and asks why they should join, do you immediately respond with &quot;volunteer board&quot;, &quot;member ownership&quot;, etc.?  If so, has it been effective or do they look like a deer in the headlights?

My guess is that, at best, it&#039;s something along the lines of the &quot;better rates, non-profit, etc.&quot; discussion because those are generally what matters.  If you&#039;re not sure, ask your branch managers or front-line folks, they&#039;ll know EXACTLY what matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the CU marketing folks also are responsible, either directly or indirectly, for the business development function &#8211; specifically, those activities associated with SEG development or community activities (if you&#8217;re a community charter).  When a prospective member walks up to your booth at the local community business association trade show and asks why they should join, do you immediately respond with &#8220;volunteer board&#8221;, &#8220;member ownership&#8221;, etc.?  If so, has it been effective or do they look like a deer in the headlights?</p>
<p>My guess is that, at best, it&#8217;s something along the lines of the &#8220;better rates, non-profit, etc.&#8221; discussion because those are generally what matters.  If you&#8217;re not sure, ask your branch managers or front-line folks, they&#8217;ll know EXACTLY what matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Lynch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Lynch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thought I&#039;d weigh in with my community bank perspective. As CU&#039;s move away from single/multiple employer based membership and become open to everyone, they run into the same issue as smaller banks. We differentiate ourselves as the &quot;local bank&quot;, committed to the community, but what does that really mean? To most customers, their local branch is important, and they don&#039;t really care if the headquarters is in Charlotte or Buffalo. And many of our large competitors can use their charitable donations to be local. Ultimately, the local aspect means more as a sense of pride for the employees in supporting the David vs. Goliath approach for smaller FI&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I&#8217;d weigh in with my community bank perspective. As CU&#8217;s move away from single/multiple employer based membership and become open to everyone, they run into the same issue as smaller banks. We differentiate ourselves as the &#8220;local bank&#8221;, committed to the community, but what does that really mean? To most customers, their local branch is important, and they don&#8217;t really care if the headquarters is in Charlotte or Buffalo. And many of our large competitors can use their charitable donations to be local. Ultimately, the local aspect means more as a sense of pride for the employees in supporting the David vs. Goliath approach for smaller FI&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire Ippoliti</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claire Ippoliti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great Discussion.  I believe what is more important that the actual credit union “difference” is relationships.  What I mean by this is if a consumer were to have a good experience with someone in the community that happens to work at a credit union, they would be more open to hear what they have to say and possibly open an account.  Unfortunately, this works for banks as well.  Back some 20 years ago when I was a teller at a large commercial bank, I knew all of the customers that came in, as did all of the other tellers.  Those customers did not necessarily care about whether they were banking at a for profit bank or a not for profit credit union, they cared about “Sally”, the teller.  This is why I believe credit union folks need to become more engaged in community work (volunteering) – locally or nationally.  In these tough economic times, most people remember what is important – family, friends, community and they remember the people helping make their community a better place.  Do I believe this is the only way to increase awareness or membership, absolutely not.  Yet I believe it needs to be one of the components in building awareness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Discussion.  I believe what is more important that the actual credit union “difference” is relationships.  What I mean by this is if a consumer were to have a good experience with someone in the community that happens to work at a credit union, they would be more open to hear what they have to say and possibly open an account.  Unfortunately, this works for banks as well.  Back some 20 years ago when I was a teller at a large commercial bank, I knew all of the customers that came in, as did all of the other tellers.  Those customers did not necessarily care about whether they were banking at a for profit bank or a not for profit credit union, they cared about “Sally”, the teller.  This is why I believe credit union folks need to become more engaged in community work (volunteering) – locally or nationally.  In these tough economic times, most people remember what is important – family, friends, community and they remember the people helping make their community a better place.  Do I believe this is the only way to increase awareness or membership, absolutely not.  Yet I believe it needs to be one of the components in building awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Condon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Condon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good questions.

Every other year CUNA conducts two national surveys: one of current members and one of non-members.  We contract with an outside research firm to tele-survey U.S. households.

Generally, what moves consumers to join is convenience, which is defined by location, hours, and remote delivery channels; and recommendations from family and friends.

The latter does imply to some degree an understanding of the less tangible values of CU membership such as the cooperative structure and volunteer board.  However, it is safe to say that most consumers do not know about nor will they necessarily respond to the intangibles.  Credit unions do not have a national brand.

Individual credit unions do in many cases have a local brand -- but not all since it depends on the resources applied to building a brand within a community.  The movement has on many occassions funded national branding, marketing, and advertising programs that eventually sputter out due to lack of consistent funding from credit unions.

In my many years at CUNA, I have witnessed the National Advertising Program (credit union Rose Bowl Parade float), the National Marketing Program, and the National Branding Campaign.  The first used spokespeople although its been so long I am embarassed to name them: Lorne Green (Ben Cartwright) and Chad Everett (the TV show Medical Center). The last one that I am aware of was figure skater Dorothy Hamill in the 1980s.

In the late &#039;90s, some of the nation&#039;s largest credit unions did kick in the dollars for a pilot National Branding Campaign that focused on the intangibles and tied them to better service and addressed some of the questions here.

The results of the pilot, which occured within several large metropolitan areas, clearly showed a marked improvement in non-member perceptions and awareness of credit unions and a willingness to join.

However, the costs of mounting a truly effective national campaign and to sustain it were simply beyond the movement&#039;s financial ability. Of course, this project occurred just as major media channels were splintering into niche markets due to cable television, the Internet, and most recently social media. There likely are brilliant marketing minds out there that could effectively design something using the new media that is more successful than what was done.

For an example how a national or at least a regional brand can be built and succeed, you can look at the success of the Desjardin credit union system in French-speaking Canada.  There, it is the Desjardin brand that is marketed not the individual credit union brand and the result is 70-plus market penetration in the province of Quebec.  It&#039;s not just the marketing and advertising campaigns, it is the use of Desjardin-branded payment cards, call centers, investment brokerages, etc.

Desjardin has an entirely different business model than that which eveolved in the states, but there are elements of it that are still adaptable in terms of strong collaborative efforts some credit unions are experimenting with (back office, online banking, other forms of Credit Union Service Organizations known as CUSOs).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good questions.</p>
<p>Every other year CUNA conducts two national surveys: one of current members and one of non-members.  We contract with an outside research firm to tele-survey U.S. households.</p>
<p>Generally, what moves consumers to join is convenience, which is defined by location, hours, and remote delivery channels; and recommendations from family and friends.</p>
<p>The latter does imply to some degree an understanding of the less tangible values of CU membership such as the cooperative structure and volunteer board.  However, it is safe to say that most consumers do not know about nor will they necessarily respond to the intangibles.  Credit unions do not have a national brand.</p>
<p>Individual credit unions do in many cases have a local brand &#8212; but not all since it depends on the resources applied to building a brand within a community.  The movement has on many occassions funded national branding, marketing, and advertising programs that eventually sputter out due to lack of consistent funding from credit unions.</p>
<p>In my many years at CUNA, I have witnessed the National Advertising Program (credit union Rose Bowl Parade float), the National Marketing Program, and the National Branding Campaign.  The first used spokespeople although its been so long I am embarassed to name them: Lorne Green (Ben Cartwright) and Chad Everett (the TV show Medical Center). The last one that I am aware of was figure skater Dorothy Hamill in the 1980s.</p>
<p>In the late &#8217;90s, some of the nation&#8217;s largest credit unions did kick in the dollars for a pilot National Branding Campaign that focused on the intangibles and tied them to better service and addressed some of the questions here.</p>
<p>The results of the pilot, which occured within several large metropolitan areas, clearly showed a marked improvement in non-member perceptions and awareness of credit unions and a willingness to join.</p>
<p>However, the costs of mounting a truly effective national campaign and to sustain it were simply beyond the movement&#8217;s financial ability. Of course, this project occurred just as major media channels were splintering into niche markets due to cable television, the Internet, and most recently social media. There likely are brilliant marketing minds out there that could effectively design something using the new media that is more successful than what was done.</p>
<p>For an example how a national or at least a regional brand can be built and succeed, you can look at the success of the Desjardin credit union system in French-speaking Canada.  There, it is the Desjardin brand that is marketed not the individual credit union brand and the result is 70-plus market penetration in the province of Quebec.  It&#8217;s not just the marketing and advertising campaigns, it is the use of Desjardin-branded payment cards, call centers, investment brokerages, etc.</p>
<p>Desjardin has an entirely different business model than that which eveolved in the states, but there are elements of it that are still adaptable in terms of strong collaborative efforts some credit unions are experimenting with (back office, online banking, other forms of Credit Union Service Organizations known as CUSOs).</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Filene has not done the surveys you&#039;re talking about, Ron, although we do consider corporal punishment as a key factor in research decisions. So thanks for that.

But, we do have some interesting findings from the past few years that could serve as proxies for the kind of questions you&#039;re talking about. In an August 2008 study, we found that for multi-SEG (single SEG) credit unions the most important referral factors were:
1) Friends/family: 29.4% (32.0%)
2) Employer: 23.7% (31.7%)
3) Drive-by branch: 9.8% (6.5%)

The research didn&#039;t attempt to capture the messages or value propositions conveyed during the referral, but it&#039;s clear that advertising messaging (even in aggregate among newspaper, outdoor, TV, radio) was less important than traditional referral connections and the convenience (or perceived convenience) of nearby branches.

A second report, also from 2008, only seeks to understand the choices of 18-34 year olds, but it gives another take. There, credit union members chose their institutions because of:
1) Convenience (hours, location, etc.): 35.2%
2) Product (rates, fees, variety): 27.1%
3) Service: 20.8%

Strangely referral scored very low in the second study, so perhaps I&#039;ve confounded real causes here. The (unfortunate?) takeaway for me is that, as much as I believe in and appreciate credit union philosophy, it is a tertiary issue in attracting new members.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Filene has not done the surveys you&#8217;re talking about, Ron, although we do consider corporal punishment as a key factor in research decisions. So thanks for that.</p>
<p>But, we do have some interesting findings from the past few years that could serve as proxies for the kind of questions you&#8217;re talking about. In an August 2008 study, we found that for multi-SEG (single SEG) credit unions the most important referral factors were:<br />
1) Friends/family: 29.4% (32.0%)<br />
2) Employer: 23.7% (31.7%)<br />
3) Drive-by branch: 9.8% (6.5%)</p>
<p>The research didn&#8217;t attempt to capture the messages or value propositions conveyed during the referral, but it&#8217;s clear that advertising messaging (even in aggregate among newspaper, outdoor, TV, radio) was less important than traditional referral connections and the convenience (or perceived convenience) of nearby branches.</p>
<p>A second report, also from 2008, only seeks to understand the choices of 18-34 year olds, but it gives another take. There, credit union members chose their institutions because of:<br />
1) Convenience (hours, location, etc.): 35.2%<br />
2) Product (rates, fees, variety): 27.1%<br />
3) Service: 20.8%</p>
<p>Strangely referral scored very low in the second study, so perhaps I&#8217;ve confounded real causes here. The (unfortunate?) takeaway for me is that, as much as I believe in and appreciate credit union philosophy, it is a tertiary issue in attracting new members.</p>
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