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	<title>Comments on: Verizon and AT&amp;T: Dumb And Dumber</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Cohen</title>
		<link>http://snarketing2dot0.com/2010/01/07/verizon-and-att-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-484</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Cohen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeffrey,

Us Cohens stick together! Anyway, I agree that it has gotten ridiculous. When the Verizon maps commercial first came out, I thought it was clever. Now, it&#039;s overboard, and AT&amp;T isn&#039;t helping the cause.

I agree, the pissing match can end any time now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey,</p>
<p>Us Cohens stick together! Anyway, I agree that it has gotten ridiculous. When the Verizon maps commercial first came out, I thought it was clever. Now, it&#8217;s overboard, and AT&amp;T isn&#8217;t helping the cause.</p>
<p>I agree, the pissing match can end any time now.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gerbino</title>
		<link>http://snarketing2dot0.com/2010/01/07/verizon-and-att-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-483</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Gerbino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jordon,

I live an hour north of New York City. Everywhere around me for miles has 3 or 4 bars. I get no bars. Translation, the second Verizon dead zone in the North East.


@Ron, I almost bought one of those extenders. Instead I complained to Verizon. After reading this I feel the need to complain again.

@dmgerbino

BTW - Another great blog post. I am wondering what the Verizon advertising strategy should be for the 90% of its market that lives and works in a small area. I think it would go something like this:

1) Split between the major demographic/psychographic

hold on, one of my Droids(tm) is missing]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jordon,</p>
<p>I live an hour north of New York City. Everywhere around me for miles has 3 or 4 bars. I get no bars. Translation, the second Verizon dead zone in the North East.</p>
<p>@Ron, I almost bought one of those extenders. Instead I complained to Verizon. After reading this I feel the need to complain again.</p>
<p>@dmgerbino</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; Another great blog post. I am wondering what the Verizon advertising strategy should be for the 90% of its market that lives and works in a small area. I think it would go something like this:</p>
<p>1) Split between the major demographic/psychographic</p>
<p>hold on, one of my Droids(tm) is missing</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffry Pilcher</title>
		<link>http://snarketing2dot0.com/2010/01/07/verizon-and-att-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-482</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeffry Pilcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regardless of who started the pissing contest first, this consumer has had enough maps.

AT&amp;T&#039;s approach is the exact same problem with Microsoft&#039;s &quot;I&#039;m a PC&quot; campaign. Reactive.

Those Cohens sure love Verizon...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of who started the pissing contest first, this consumer has had enough maps.</p>
<p>AT&amp;T&#8217;s approach is the exact same problem with Microsoft&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;m a PC&#8221; campaign. Reactive.</p>
<p>Those Cohens sure love Verizon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Shevlin</title>
		<link>http://snarketing2dot0.com/2010/01/07/verizon-and-att-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Shevlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for taking the time to comment, Scott. Much appreciated.

I don&#039;t dispute that their coverage area is better. But I would contend that there are very few people who need coverage in Salt Lake City one day, Harrisonburg VA the next, and Nebraska the day after that.

I think my big issue -- perhaps not well articulated -- is the extent to which each of the two firms are reacting to each others&#039; ads. Instead of basing their own ads on well thought out and defendable strategies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to comment, Scott. Much appreciated.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t dispute that their coverage area is better. But I would contend that there are very few people who need coverage in Salt Lake City one day, Harrisonburg VA the next, and Nebraska the day after that.</p>
<p>I think my big issue &#8212; perhaps not well articulated &#8212; is the extent to which each of the two firms are reacting to each others&#8217; ads. Instead of basing their own ads on well thought out and defendable strategies.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Cohen</title>
		<link>http://snarketing2dot0.com/2010/01/07/verizon-and-att-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Cohen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron,

As a longtime Verizon customer, I take issue with your assertion that Verizon&#039;s focus on maps is idiotic. Annoying, yes.

Verizon carries fewer of the &quot;hot&quot; phones and has more expensive plans than every other carrier (overall). But their call coverage is second-to-none. You can drive across the country with a Verizon phone and not have to worry about too many dead zones. I can attest to that. I drove through Nebraska with at least 3 bars.

I even called up Verizon a few months ago and contended with them that I could get two smart phones and the data plans on AT&amp;T or T-Mobile for the price of one smart phone (with data plan) and one regular phone. The customer service rep acknowledged this and said (correctly) that I get what I pay for in terms of coverage. The reason that it&#039;s more expensive is because I get better coverage (which I do). They sold me on the fact that if I was in an emergency situation, I&#039;m more likely to trust my Verizon coverage than any other coverage.

I think I agree more with Jordan&#039;s contention that AT&amp;T&#039;s responses are ridiculous and could lead to disaster. The fact that the ads are completely false also don&#039;t help their cause. I&#039;m frankly surprised with the whole notion of &quot;You can&#039;t talk and surf the web at the same time.&quot; I don&#039;t have a smartphone, but I know Verizon customers who do that all the time.

Simply put, AT&amp;T is known for their devices, not their coverage. Verizon is known for their coverage and their customer service (which is superb I might add). Verizon--while being annoying--is playing up their strength while AT&amp;T is walking away from theirs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>As a longtime Verizon customer, I take issue with your assertion that Verizon&#8217;s focus on maps is idiotic. Annoying, yes.</p>
<p>Verizon carries fewer of the &#8220;hot&#8221; phones and has more expensive plans than every other carrier (overall). But their call coverage is second-to-none. You can drive across the country with a Verizon phone and not have to worry about too many dead zones. I can attest to that. I drove through Nebraska with at least 3 bars.</p>
<p>I even called up Verizon a few months ago and contended with them that I could get two smart phones and the data plans on AT&amp;T or T-Mobile for the price of one smart phone (with data plan) and one regular phone. The customer service rep acknowledged this and said (correctly) that I get what I pay for in terms of coverage. The reason that it&#8217;s more expensive is because I get better coverage (which I do). They sold me on the fact that if I was in an emergency situation, I&#8217;m more likely to trust my Verizon coverage than any other coverage.</p>
<p>I think I agree more with Jordan&#8217;s contention that AT&amp;T&#8217;s responses are ridiculous and could lead to disaster. The fact that the ads are completely false also don&#8217;t help their cause. I&#8217;m frankly surprised with the whole notion of &#8220;You can&#8217;t talk and surf the web at the same time.&#8221; I don&#8217;t have a smartphone, but I know Verizon customers who do that all the time.</p>
<p>Simply put, AT&amp;T is known for their devices, not their coverage. Verizon is known for their coverage and their customer service (which is superb I might add). Verizon&#8211;while being annoying&#8211;is playing up their strength while AT&amp;T is walking away from theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Cohen</title>
		<link>http://snarketing2dot0.com/2010/01/07/verizon-and-att-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan Cohen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ron - I&#039;m sorry to hear that you happen to live in the one dead zone Verizon has in the entire Northeast, but you&#039;re the exception, not the rule.

@Jeffrey - Verizon&#039;s ads aren&#039;t tit for tat, and it&#039;s fair game to compare your product against your competitor (Coke vs Pepsi anyone?) and especially when you are doing so based on objective data (as opposed to say, taste).

AT&amp;T on the other hand, is being reactive, which I think is always a recipe for problems, if not disaster. Certainly doesn&#039;t make them seem &quot;leader-like&quot; or instill confidence in the viewer (especially with bloated, past-his-prime Luke Wilson leading the charge). AT&amp;T would be wiser to keep on promoting that they&#039;re the exclusive provider of the iPhone to get people in the door. Shine the light on your strengths, not your shortcomings...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ron &#8211; I&#8217;m sorry to hear that you happen to live in the one dead zone Verizon has in the entire Northeast, but you&#8217;re the exception, not the rule.</p>
<p>@Jeffrey &#8211; Verizon&#8217;s ads aren&#8217;t tit for tat, and it&#8217;s fair game to compare your product against your competitor (Coke vs Pepsi anyone?) and especially when you are doing so based on objective data (as opposed to say, taste).</p>
<p>AT&amp;T on the other hand, is being reactive, which I think is always a recipe for problems, if not disaster. Certainly doesn&#8217;t make them seem &#8220;leader-like&#8221; or instill confidence in the viewer (especially with bloated, past-his-prime Luke Wilson leading the charge). AT&amp;T would be wiser to keep on promoting that they&#8217;re the exclusive provider of the iPhone to get people in the door. Shine the light on your strengths, not your shortcomings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Morriss Partee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Morriss Partee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And then you have this, which appeared in the NY Times last month: AT&amp;T takes the fall for iPhone&#039;s glitches:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13digi.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And then you have this, which appeared in the NY Times last month: AT&amp;T takes the fall for iPhone&#8217;s glitches:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13digi.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/business/13digi.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeffry Pilcher</title>
		<link>http://snarketing2dot0.com/2010/01/07/verizon-and-att-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeffry Pilcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And this just in...

AT&amp;T&#039;s &quot;crappy attitude&quot; is killing its brand.
http://www.brandweek.com/bw/content_display/news-and-features/direct/e3i7d41666c039b61af15fe073b44839fb2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this just in&#8230;</p>
<p>AT&amp;T&#8217;s &#8220;crappy attitude&#8221; is killing its brand.<br />
<a href="http://www.brandweek.com/bw/content_display/news-and-features/direct/e3i7d41666c039b61af15fe073b44839fb2" rel="nofollow">http://www.brandweek.com/bw/content_display/news-and-features/direct/e3i7d41666c039b61af15fe073b44839fb2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron Shevlin</title>
		<link>http://snarketing2dot0.com/2010/01/07/verizon-and-att-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron Shevlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The back and forth measuring stuff is bad enough, but what gets me is that AT&amp;T felt compelled to respond. Can&#039;t any brand/firm/whatever take the high ground and stick to their guns and strategy?

If anything, AT&amp;T should have responded w/ ads showing Ron Shevlin getting ZERO bars in his home 15 miles from Boston. And some Verizon guy trying to sell me a $200 device to improve the coverage area. I could do a better job of pitching AT&amp;T than ol&#039; Luke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The back and forth measuring stuff is bad enough, but what gets me is that AT&amp;T felt compelled to respond. Can&#8217;t any brand/firm/whatever take the high ground and stick to their guns and strategy?</p>
<p>If anything, AT&amp;T should have responded w/ ads showing Ron Shevlin getting ZERO bars in his home 15 miles from Boston. And some Verizon guy trying to sell me a $200 device to improve the coverage area. I could do a better job of pitching AT&amp;T than ol&#8217; Luke.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffry Pilcher</title>
		<link>http://snarketing2dot0.com/2010/01/07/verizon-and-att-dumb-and-dumber/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeffry Pilcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When advertisers get caught in a back-and-forth penis measuring contest, neither advertiser wins. Both end up looking alike and sounding the same...five-year old crybabies.

&quot;My map is bigger than your map.&quot;
&quot;Is not.&quot;
&quot;Is so.&quot;
&quot;Is not.&quot;
&quot;Is so.&quot;
&quot;Well, your map is dumb.&quot;
&quot;Is not.&quot;
&quot;Is so.&quot;

This is one of the worst tit-for-tats in advertising history, and Ron, you&#039;re right: It is completely annoying. I don&#039;t think either AT&amp;T or Verizon realize how they look from the outside. It&#039;s almost as if these campaigns were made to satisfy sensitive corporate egos -- not &lt;strong&gt;for&lt;/strong&gt; consumers but &lt;strong&gt;despite&lt;/strong&gt; them.

Whenever you respond to one of your competitors publicly (in ads or otherwise), you are letting them dictate the terms of battle, which is a HUGE marketing mistake.

And Luke Wilson, please get some decent clothes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When advertisers get caught in a back-and-forth penis measuring contest, neither advertiser wins. Both end up looking alike and sounding the same&#8230;five-year old crybabies.</p>
<p>&#8220;My map is bigger than your map.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Is not.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Is so.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Is not.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Is so.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Well, your map is dumb.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Is not.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Is so.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is one of the worst tit-for-tats in advertising history, and Ron, you&#8217;re right: It is completely annoying. I don&#8217;t think either AT&amp;T or Verizon realize how they look from the outside. It&#8217;s almost as if these campaigns were made to satisfy sensitive corporate egos &#8212; not <strong>for</strong> consumers but <strong>despite</strong> them.</p>
<p>Whenever you respond to one of your competitors publicly (in ads or otherwise), you are letting them dictate the terms of battle, which is a HUGE marketing mistake.</p>
<p>And Luke Wilson, please get some decent clothes.</p>
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